[tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3

On 01/27/2011 03:34 AM, Michael Meeks wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 18:43 -0800, NoOp wrote:
> > It also still uses soffice.exe et all in Windows; meaning that LO still
> > takes over OOo if both are installed in parallel.
>
>       Unfortunately, there is some inevitability of conflict here. This would
> have always been the situation between StarOffice and OpenOffice in the
> past eg. AFAIK (and I am no expert), we would both want to clobber the
> same COM component names - and remove them socially on uninstall etc.
> Short of the typical "I notice XYZ other app is the default, do you want
> to change to me" type code that would need adding on both sides, there
> will be issues here for a while.
>
> >  The latter seems MS like; are LO insistent on obliterating OOo by
> > continuing to use OOo registry entries and executable file names?
>
>       If you install OO.o over LO - you will find it does the same thing;
> there is no malice implied on either side.

Actually OOo does not. I just tested OOo final 3.3.0 on WinXP and it
does not disturb LO. Right-clicking on an .odt and selecting 'Open With'
offers:

OpenOffice.org Writer (OOo 3.3.0 stable was installed after LO)
LibreOffice Writer (RC4/Stable is installed)
Microsoft Word

I suggest that you revisit the "Change executable/sh names" thread that
I started on the dev list.

> > That SVG import still is incomplete and doesn't work properly. In fact
> > SVG import is pretty much an ongoing joke (whether it be OOo-go-oo or LO).
>
>       Well; it does something useful; we (and you) are welcome to make it
> better. In my view, something useful is almost always better than
> nothing, even if it is not perfect. Perhaps the most serious thing it
> does is showcase the poor performance of draw with lots of complex
> shapes - something that is intrinsic to draw, but of course not seen if
> you don't load any data into it ;-)

Perhaps 'ongoing joke' was a little harsh & I offer my apologies to
Bernhard Haumacher & any devs that have been working on it since then.
However the problem(s) have been ongoing for years (starting in 2005 +
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SVG_Import_Filter).

My point was; promoting a broken feature as key reason to switch to LO
seems to me to be misguided. You know it's broke, I know it's broke, and
the multiple (years old) bug reports validate my opinion.  It really
doesn't matter if the issue is with Draw or the SVG extension/code, the
issue is/was the press release promoting a "feature" with significant
issues.

> > Sorry, but IMO RC4/Final should have waited awhile until some of the
> > more basic bugs were resolved.
>
>       I am sorry you think so. But rest assured, you'll have plenty of time
> to fix and test bug fixes for 3.3.1 with us all. It is not as if the
> baseline we are starting from is bug-free perfection too.

Happy to help in any way that I can. BTW these might be worth a
look/relook as well:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/138141
[[upstream] export of openoffice draw to svg renders text invisable in
the svg file] - note my post of 2008

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32852
[[Linux] LibORC2: Impress video / `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found]

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33050
[ [FILESAVE] LibO stops responding saving particular documents as .doc]
If you look at the history,
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=33050>
you'll find that was discovered in RC2.

There's more, but that's enough for this response.

I'm quite happy to help via troubleshooting/testing etc., but IMO taking
a fast track to release so soon after RC4 (which is the stable release)
is an indication that the releases are timed to distros/other events. I
think it better to slow things down and release 'when LO are ready'
rather than on buttons pushed by outside sources.




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