Hi Paolo, Franklin, all,
it would be great, if we could work together on a process to merge both branches together and
get the community versions in sync. I think this could be done most easy on Github.
Am 24. Juni 2022 11:29:16 MESZ schrieb Paolo Vecchi <email@example.com>:
thanks for the great proposal.
As the LOOL archival discussion is planned for Monday I'll ask the
board to modify the agenda to start discussing your' and Andreas'
There is a lot that needs to be evaluated with the community to
see if and in which way we can make LOOL available for the
On 24/06/2022 06:37, Franklin Weng wrote:
Here I have a proposal: to have LOOL respository sync to another
OxOOL is developed by OSSII in Taiwan, derived from LOOL. It has
commercial version, which is several versions advanced to
community version, while the community version is also open
sourced. Currently National Development Council Taiwan, the main
dominant unit of ODF policy in Taiwanese government, uses (forks)
this community version into "NDCODFweb":
which is also mainly supported by OSSII.
Besides NDCODFWeb and some other Taiwanese government units,
OxOOL is also used in different companies and products. For
example, it is integrated into ASUS cloud Omnistor Office
(https://www.asuscloud.com/omnistor-office/), OpenFind SecuShare
Pro (https://www.openfind.com.tw/taiwan/secusharepro.html). It is
migrated into Pou Chen Group (https://www.pouchen.com) and some
other big anonymous companies. Also, it is deployed in UNAU
OxOOL v4 will be released in a month and can be a good and useful
base to LOOL, also good to the LibreOffice community.
I'm not a representative of OSSII, but the GM of OSSII told me
that they are happy to share the community version.
In this proposal there are two ways to relive LOOL:
1. To sync current LOOL with patches from OxOOL community v4,
which may technically take more time and efforts.
2. Start a new repository from OxOOL community v4, which I'll say
that it is actually a "fast forward" from current status since
OxOOL is also derived from LOOL, though a bit far before. It will
be technically easier than 1., just that maybe some community
people may feel uneasy or unhappy with this way.
Both ways are okay for me, as long as LOOL can be relived.
However no matter which way, IMO TDF needs to employ in-house
developers (independent from *any* ecosystem member) for
rerunning LOOL. The second option, which is my prefer option, is
a lot easier technically and in-house developers would just need
to (cowork with community members and OSSII to) maintain LOOL
Features in OxOOL commercial version are mostly (customized)
requests from customers and hence may not necessarily need to be
backported (to community version), but the GM of OSSII also
promised that OxOOL Commercial version functions (which they
think good / necessary to be back ported) and bugfixes will be
back ported to LOOL (and OxOOL community version too).
Of course, after reliving LOOL all developers are welcomed to
contribute to LOOL.
Details can be discussed with OSSII.
Paolo Vecchi 於 2022/6/21 20:15 寫道:
just a heads up in case the community would like to come up with
proposals in regards to LibreOffice On-Line.
As you might be aware LOOL's repository has been frozen since
the major code contributor decided to move it to GitHub and not
contribute back to TDF's repository.
At the time there has been a debate about it but then nothing
actionable seems to have been proposed by the community since then.
Recently an ex-member of the ESC proposed to the ESC to archive
LOOL  and during the following ESC meeting no concerns were
expressed for doing so .
The "Attic Policy" , that has been written to archive
obsolete projects, states that the Board will need to vote on
the archival process to confirm ESC's choice.
It is likely that the board will need to vote on it soon so if
the community would like to do something with LOOL there might
be a small window of opportunity to have your preferences on
what to do with it heard.
If nobody comes along proposing to look after it and update if
so that it could be brought back into an usable form for the
community then the board might have to vote for having LOOL
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