thanks for the great proposal.
As the LOOL archival discussion is planned for Monday I'll ask the board
to modify the agenda to start discussing your' and Andreas' proposal.
There is a lot that needs to be evaluated with the community to see if
and in which way we can make LOOL available for the community again.
On 24/06/2022 06:37, Franklin Weng wrote:
Here I have a proposal: to have LOOL respository sync to another
OxOOL is developed by OSSII in Taiwan, derived from LOOL. It has
commercial version, which is several versions advanced to community
version, while the community version is also open sourced. Currently
National Development Council Taiwan, the main dominant unit of ODF
policy in Taiwanese government, uses (forks) this community version
which is also mainly supported by OSSII.
Besides NDCODFWeb and some other Taiwanese government units, OxOOL is
also used in different companies and products. For example, it is
integrated into ASUS cloud Omnistor Office
(https://www.asuscloud.com/omnistor-office/), OpenFind SecuShare Pro
(https://www.openfind.com.tw/taiwan/secusharepro.html). It is migrated
into Pou Chen Group (https://www.pouchen.com) and some other big
anonymous companies. Also, it is deployed in UNAU
OxOOL v4 will be released in a month and can be a good and useful base
to LOOL, also good to the LibreOffice community.
I'm not a representative of OSSII, but the GM of OSSII told me that
they are happy to share the community version.
In this proposal there are two ways to relive LOOL:
1. To sync current LOOL with patches from OxOOL community v4, which
may technically take more time and efforts.
2. Start a new repository from OxOOL community v4, which I'll say that
it is actually a "fast forward" from current status since OxOOL is
also derived from LOOL, though a bit far before. It will be
technically easier than 1., just that maybe some community people may
feel uneasy or unhappy with this way.
Both ways are okay for me, as long as LOOL can be relived. However no
matter which way, IMO TDF needs to employ in-house developers
(independent from *any* ecosystem member) for rerunning LOOL. The
second option, which is my prefer option, is a lot easier technically
and in-house developers would just need to (cowork with community
members and OSSII to) maintain LOOL repository.
Features in OxOOL commercial version are mostly (customized) requests
from customers and hence may not necessarily need to be backported (to
community version), but the GM of OSSII also promised that OxOOL
Commercial version functions (which they think good / necessary to be
back ported) and bugfixes will be back ported to LOOL (and OxOOL
community version too).
Of course, after reliving LOOL all developers are welcomed to
contribute to LOOL.
Details can be discussed with OSSII.
Paolo Vecchi 於 2022/6/21 20:15 寫道:
just a heads up in case the community would like to come up with
proposals in regards to LibreOffice On-Line.
As you might be aware LOOL's repository has been frozen since the
major code contributor decided to move it to GitHub and not
contribute back to TDF's repository.
At the time there has been a debate about it but then nothing
actionable seems to have been proposed by the community since then.
Recently an ex-member of the ESC proposed to the ESC to archive LOOL
 and during the following ESC meeting no concerns were expressed
for doing so .
The "Attic Policy" , that has been written to archive obsolete
projects, states that the Board will need to vote on the archival
process to confirm ESC's choice.
It is likely that the board will need to vote on it soon so if the
community would like to do something with LOOL there might be a small
window of opportunity to have your preferences on what to do with it
If nobody comes along proposing to look after it and update if so
that it could be brought back into an usable form for the community
then the board might have to vote for having LOOL archived.
Paolo Vecchi - Member of the Board of Directors
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