On 12/06/2022 11:17, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 9:31 AM Emiliano Vavassori
Il 11/06/22 20:02, Simon Phipps ha scritto:
> I will remind you
> that you started this negative approach about how TDF is acting
> illegally when you and I were on the Board together last decade.
I'm honestly struggling to see how your comments can be thought as
They are to help newcomers like you become aware that the complaints
being made are not in fact new or related to the current situation but
date back to a dispute that is many years old and still unresolved due
to personal enmities.
I was a newcomer in 2020 and I didn't get much help from you or other
old members of the board in understanding the past to take decision for
the future of TDF.
I had to spend a lot of time reading lots of minutes of past meetings
and keep asking difficult questions to get to the point where I could
clearly see that some decisions being passed down to us (eg TDC) had
issues that haven't been considered.
It is good to have people like Andreas that point out issues that should
be evaluated by newcomers before they fall into a group thinking
situation that does not help with addressing problems and moving forward.
I am sorry you do not find this helpful, but being aware of the true
history of the project (especially at a time when there are voices
trying to reframe history) is very important and refusing to do so may
lead to incorrect assumptions and the acceptance of untrue framing.
It is important to learn about the past to plan for the future.
Discovering some details that are not widely publicised helps in fixing
some issues that have been overlooked.
TDF is not just a small group of friends developing LibreOffice any
more, it is now a larger organisation that needs to apply some rules so
that it creates a level playing field for everyone that wants to
contribute in many ways, not only with code which for some seems to be
the only measure if some people or organisations are more equal than others.
And how should users and members should voice their unsettlement,
without risking to be stopped at every corner and called out for
violations of CoC.
By entering into a dialogue. By hearing and evolving compromises with
other members through selecting positive elements of their
contributions. By collaborating together even when uncomfortable. By
respecting the honest contributions of long-time contributors. This
place is hardly a close venue.
Compromises and unanimity in decisions would be great but are not always
possible as some points of view are too far apart.
Some cling very hard onto their acquired positions and it is very
difficult and frustrating to get them to understand that times have
changed and that is not only their code that makes TDF, our community
and LibreOffice great for all.
Even when compromises have been agreed some decide to walk away and not
contribute back to a project like LOOL that isn't made up only by code
but also by lots of contributions from the rest of our community.
How should members voice their concerns when they see entryists
harming the project and old unsettled grudges being repeatedly raised
regardless of how they are answered?
"Entryists" bring also fresher, different point of views and ask the
questions that some don't want to hear. "Entryists" helped in stopping a
project you promoted that would have been damaging for TDF and our
community, "entryists" tried to bring clarity on what LOOL really was
and found out that reality was different from what was promoted,
"entryists" got finally a CoI Policy in place for the board and (IMHO)
should implement it also for the ESC, "entryists" are still working on
lots of other improvements that will help TDF serve better its community.
So yes, "entryists" should look at both side of the arguments, dig
deeper in their merits and then promote the required changes.
I hope you noticed the usefulness of "entryists" and that you will help
them with unbiased information in future instead of attacking them
because they haven't conformed with your views.
Paolo Vecchi - Member of the Board of Directors
The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE
Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts
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