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Hi all,

Am 09.06.22 um 13:03 schrieb Jan Holesovsky:
Hi Andreas,

Andreas Mantke píše v St 08. 06. 2022 v 19:53 +0200:

Interestingly I cannot remember TDF ever tendering for LibreOffice
Online work, can you please point me to the details?
TDF tendered in 2014/2015 the work for the Android editing, which was
explained to the board also as important for LOOL. Thus this project
payed from the LibreOffice donation money. The biggest part of this
(according to the prize) was done by Collabora productivity.
[But I may be wrong - as said, I have nothing to do with TDF
process, so maybe I've missed something?]

I made a research in an archive and found out that the document with
offer from Collabora was created by Jan Holesovsky with LibreOffice
on Oct., 6 2014.
Sure, if we are talking the Android editing, then of course, I know
what you are talking about.

The work consisted of 478 commits, 265 of them were clearly marked as
"android".  The remaining 213 commits may still have been Android-only
(and the author just forgot to mark them that way), or may have
improved (the pre-existing, funded by CloudOn, Smoose and others)
LibreOfficeKit with functionality needed for the Android work (I'd need
to check commit by commit to tell you the exact number, so the 213 is
the upper bound - it could be less).

Anybody can check the reports, Collabora has published them previously:

LibreOfficeKit was indeed important for what has started as LibreOffice
Online thanks to the seed investment from IceWarp, but was just a part
of what was necessary for the LibreOffice Online development.  The
completely missing bits, not existing previously & not paid by TDF,
were the server and the JavaScript renderer of the tiles.

To put the 213 commits to perspective, the server and JS bits were
12489 commits at the time of the Online repository move to GitHub.  It
is hard to count the commits done to LibreOfficeKit (ie. to LibreOffice

this confirms that TDF has payed a part of the Android and Online
development from donation money.

core) before and after the TDF Android editing tender; but I suppose
there were thousands, and they are still part of LibreOffice, of

None of the server & JS commits were paid by TDF, it was all funded by
IceWarp, Collabora itself & many others, and the price that TDF has
paid for the 213 commits was marginal compared to the other work that
made the Online happen.  Please don't get me wrong though - I am really
grateful for that, every cent counts, and especially counted the 8
years ago; for people at Collabora, those were hard (but exciting)
times with very unpredictable future.

And for the avoidance of doubt - all these 213 commits were needed for
the Android work, none of them was done speculatively for a potentiald
Online use later.
If I remember correctly I attended a presentation from Michael M. about
a LibreOffice online pre alpha version at the conference in Paris 2011.
And thus I'm not able to reconstruct that in 2014/15 the LibreOffice
online was speculatively.

The tender in 2014/2015 was justified not only with foundation work for
an Android version but also for an online version of LibreOffice. And it
was flagged that would be a necessary investment for the future of
LibreOffice (because mobile/online would be the future of office tools).

Although Collabora took money from the charity TDF to develop LOOL, it
forked this project and dry out the LOOL development under the TDF
umbrella. That is a self-centered behavior and a damage of the
foundation. Such a behavior is the opposite of a contribution to


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