Re: [board-discuss] Re: Enable TDF to contribute more code to LibreOffice with in-house developers to address our donors specific needs

On 10.02.2022 17:53, Michael Meeks wrote:

Hi Michael, all,

>         It seems reasonable to explore what people should be hired to do -
> before hiring them =) That has the benefit of working out what skills
> are needed in the job advert and/or interview process for example. The
> 'discussion' here - I would not see as blocked, but problematic see
> later.

I don't think the discussion is even at this point. Reading the messages 
I can only see some board members just questioning every single commas 
used by the others, fighting in public without even realising that all 
this drama is only bringing away community members interested to share 
more ideas and proposals for solving this deadlock we are experiencing.

>         As for no-one listening to users - I spend my life listening to
> customers & partners & users - and trying to do what they want. Anyone
> jealous of some big pool of unconstrained money / development power in
> corporate contributors is mistaken. Nevertheless I still get
> impassioned complaints of why Collabora did X and not Y from
> intelligent, articulate, engaged community members.

...and again, it's not always "Collabora vs others" discussion. There's 
a discussion, not even a concrete proposal on how TDF could contribute 
more code, there are other opinions shared and an attempt to really act 
like a community that tries to shape its own projects. Can we stop to 
reduce every possible discussion to the "ecosystem vs all the others"?

We are all part of the same project, many of us were part of it from day 
0, some officially, others unofficially, but we were all there.
Can we stop to act like kids and try to really cooperate like adults?

>         As for finding new board members on the list to express a view you
> feel represents you: these long threads packed with trolling and
> misrepresentation on board-discuss are not a great way to interact I
> suspect. Why would a new board member want to engage in them while
> they find their feet ? Lets not be quick to preemptively despair of
> sensible decision making.

This way to act is not only affecting the board members. It has a 
negative impact on the full community and on all the potential new 
contributors that are just scared away by all those dramas.

>         These days the we have created rules to exclude people from such
> decision making - which has the potential to significantly exacerbate
> conflict and division I feel.

...talking about trolling, I was indeed missing yet another comment 
against the CoI policy.

Cheers,
Marina

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