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Hi Andreas,

I agree the narrative on Collabora's own site seems to clash a bit with what happened down the line.

I see that you were in the board at the time, as some of the current board members, so I guess you were as excited as others know that LOOL was going to be available for free to all. Maybe at the times there was no fear that it would have been taken away from us so nobody thought to make things clear with an official agreement which confirmed what Collabora had on its website.

One may hope that someone re-reads what it was suppose to happen and reviews some decisions.

In the meantime it is evident that we need to set some rules for the projects that TDF hosts so that we can have more clarity in future.



On 24/01/2022 18:00, Andreas Mantke wrote:

the linked documents shows the different behavior / narrative during a
period without a commercial product and with the opposite.
During the first one it is a community project and it is one of the core
projects. It is welcomed that every community member (everyone)
contributes to the project, support it and use it for free (as product
of the community). It is also proposed that it will be supported as a
community project and get updates (etc.).
Once the project gets commercial ready this commitment was retracted.
And the speech changed to the statement that the project had only little
/ negligible contributions from the community.
If you analyze this statement you could get to the conclusion that the
contributions of one group of developers are not contributions to the
community. But if that would be the case, why could they apply for TDF
membership and so on?

And the statement, that Paolo linked in this thread, was made from TDF
in 2015 and you could find out who was on the board at that time:

Thus it seemed very important to have clear rules for projects, that TDF
hosts and which were substantial driven by a professional entity.

And it's also obvious that a CoI could happen very likely, if one try to
wear two hats (on different sides of the table).


Am 21.01.22 um 19:10 schrieb Paolo Vecchi:
And also:

Maybe also that gave some people the impression that LibreOffice
OnLine, being hosted at TDF and "contributed to the LibreOffice
project", would have been made available to all but that may just be
my reading.



On 21/01/2022 18:31, Michael Meeks wrote:

On 18/01/2022 06:39, Andreas Mantke wrote:
only for background information I recommend to read:

and e.g. the annual report 2013 of TDF, page 9/10

    And also:

    which has links to the reports, with the (core) commits. And:

    may be interesting too; all of that a year+ old.



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