On 13/01/2022 12:35, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
Thanks for jumping in on this thread, and I appreciate you having taken
the time to address my points.
Nice to talk the issues through constructively =)
Oh, yes, I still remember the pain involved in transitioning
from PPC to Intel.
Quite =) Apple seems to deprecates APIs less quickly than Linux but
rather more quickly than Windows.
The downside for the commercial offerings then is why would I continue
to keep subscribing to the AppStore versions (and contributing
financially, however little that might be), if I have to have multiple
different versions of what is perceived as the "same" software in order
to get work done ?
In a nutshell, if your primary focus is Base on Mac, then at the moment
it makes little sense to - except of course that supports the project
somewhat. Obviously you could support the project instead by donating to
Lest there be some misunderstanding, I also wasn't touting that Base be
atticised, far from it, that would be counter-productive for me
Sure; I don't think anyone is proposing that.
particular, my concerns were levelled more at the perceived (by me) risk
that apathy, or lack of foresight at the Board level, or whichever
circumstances, might lead to the commercially branded offerings of LO in
the long run being the only ones available via the AppStore, or indeed
My take is that app-stores are a significant strategic risk to TDF from
several perspectives and that keeping people's ability to install their
own software alive - outside the grip of DRM'd app stores is an
important thing to do. Also - the economics of endless free updates in
app-stores hurts TDF's revenue very significantly when you model it: not
de-funding TDF needs to be a concern for the project.
Endian-ness for embedded Firebird seems to be the elephant in the room
here. ODB files made on MacOS can not easily be shared with other
Oh - wow, I didn't know that. Wow - that is awful. That crushed my
hopes for a good Firebird based future.
So what other options are there for a sensibly licensed, in-process
Does PostgreSQL do it - could we run the server in a thread
cross-platform, can we get its data into a file ? ;-) I guess we should
prolly re-do the analysis of alternatives here to work out if there is a
sensible way forward; but that belongs on the dev-list - and it's a big
job to even know what we might want to do.
You certainly highlight an interesting challenge. How can we find
individual volunteers and resources to apply to such problems ? More
development mentors may help, its worth a try - but I'm sure many more
such problems will remain.
Agreed, and I don't believe that there are any easy options, nor do I
see any "prepackaged" solutions that will satisfy everyone.
Yep; seems like a nightmare; the endianess issue burst my bubble of
having a nice direction - but just getting there slowly. How can we
avoid the galloping bit-rot and fund the improvement of a good database
infrastructure ? it's an un-solved question.
Thanks again for your input Michael, it is always useful for me to have
this kind of engagement.
No problem; Its a shame that the Linux Desktop is not floating your
boat too, I agree with you on lots of what you wrote that I excised for
Anyhow - I'd like to hope that we can research and come up with a plan
for a capable database that we can bundle & be sure is always there for
embedded db's; one that will not bit-rot, and is not built on another
bit-rotting infrastructure =)
I guess with Noel's experience perhaps a J2C++ conversion on HSQLDB
would do it ;-) still at 100k LOC of Java that's also a nightmare.
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