The Document Foundation
Board of Directors Meeting 2020-11-06
Session chair: Lothar Becker
Keeper of the minutes: Stephan Ficht
In the meeting:
Board - Lothar Becker (left at 13:45), Cor Nouws, Emiliano
Vavassori, Franklin Weng, Thorsten Behrens, Michael Meeks (from 13:25 on)
Board Deputies - Nicolas Christener, Paolo Vecchi
Membership Committee - Uwe Altmann
Team - Stephan Ficht, Mike Saunders, Italo Vignoli
Community - Michael Weghorn
Representation: to check: Nicolas representing Michael, Paolo
subject "Representation statements")
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The meeting commences at 13:04 Berlin time.
1. Q&A: Answering Questions from the community (All, max. 10 min)
Rationale: Provide an opportunity for the community to ask questions
to the board and about TDF.
+ any questions? (Lothar)
+ how to put items on the agenda (Nicolas)
+ request for agenda items sent to directors list the week before
+ official agenda is sent out in time, Monday this time
2. Discuss&Decide: Focussing and prioritizing, sorting goals and action
items for the board (Lothar/Florian, All 10min)
Rationale: results on ranking, identify 5 most important and fokus
energy/time on them, rest on hold until new weighting (after 6 weeks)
+ running tenders are not touched, stays independant (Lothar)
+ tender is running when it is published, right? (Emiliano)
+ right, three tenders open currently (Lothar)
+ Development Mentor
+ X-Ray Debugger
+ ODF 1.3 Delta and ODF bugfixing
+ relatively clear prioritizing established in the board ranking (Lothar)
+ should have a look on the first items
+ Marketing plan
+ next next decade manifesto
+ LibreOffice Online
+ CoI and tenders
+ Florian, Lothar, Nicolas working on that
+ will test-drive this for the ODF Delta tender
+ come up with a matrix, roles etc - to visualise the process (and
perhaps identify CoI)
+ three roles - managing director, tender owner (can be tdf member,
staff, director), and technical role (specialist, also needs to verify
+ would be great to publish that (Lothar)
+ branding and TM policy, incl. OOo brand
+ could overlap (Thorsten)
+ some posts seen (Mike)
+ was important to make this statement (Thorsten)
+ but limited hope
+ actually nothing we do on this (Lothar)
+ KDE / GNOME tools (Nicolas)
+ might start implementing - Gnumeric is represented in the TC(Thorsten)
+ projects didn't publish report (Mike)
+ don't know what will happen
+ sounds interesting (Cor)
+ Mike to keep an eye on that (Lothar)
Michael joins 13:25
+ accessibility (Lothar)
+ some people collecting bugs/things to bring this list in
+ some coordination in the german area
+ lack of implementing (Thorsten)
+ write down the problem
+ budget needed? (Cor)
+ want to do some accessibility stuff (Thorsten)
+ we estimated & helped develop some a11y proposals for last budget
+ actively working on that - the next decade manifesto (Cor)
+ more work there the next next week, with Florian on vacation
+ LO Online to clarify what to do (Lothar)
3. Discuss: Status of marketing plan discussion and LibreOffice Online
situation (All, Italo/Mike 20min)
Rationale: Valuing feedback so far, clarifying timeline, Discussion
about LibreOffice Online situation
+ status marketing discussion (Lothar)
+ discussion on ml not existing (Italo)
+ people discussing are missing lots of information
+ perhaps good to make a summary message
+ discussion meant to be focused on marketing list - not happened.
+ discussion status is the same as 15 days ago
+ not lots of interest from community / proposals on the list
+ will try to foster the discussion, deadline is next week.
+ not overly confident.
+ expect a decision by the members.
+ can we do anything ? (Lothar)
+ people are not reading all mailing lists, and miss information
+ message in BZ today suggests people missing lots of the picture
+ Italo has to leave 13:30
+ a problem to have a discussion on this (Stephan)
+ forced to have a discussion on a certain list, but it happens
elsewhere - a problem of communication ?
+ forwarded it to list from bugzilla (Thorsten)
+ it's on the list now.
+ sit at a table & discuss it the only way
+ for better/worst - ML is decided to be that table
+ no-one around the table - so where is the discussion?
+ some but not enough on that list (Cor)
+ posted a link to this list to the bug report.
+ Timur has been involved in community QA for years
+ must bring people the best oportunities to contribute
+ way TDF is setup: official comms on MLs (Thorsten)
+ how it is today.
+ no better place: BZ is bad - no threading after the 20th comment.
+ can we use Tinder instead ? (Cor)
+ some new tools proposed (Emilinao)
+ but not there yet, so ML the only way
+ if people care - they can engage (Thorsten)
+ connecting the two perhaps helps short term with people
mirroring bits in BZ.
+ perhaps our responsibility to active this discussion again (Lothar)
+ can make some statements there (Emiliano)
+ what do we do with LibreOffice Online ? (Lothar)
+ said will discuss on the ML some more
+ where are further comments ?
+ in the ML - asked a question, would be nice to have some official
statements from one side (Paolo)
+ no clarity on it, don't know what to think anymore.
+ try to understand situation with LibreOffice Online
+ plan from the repository
+ does TDF still have a LibreOffice Online or not ?
+ will it be back-ported / stuff ?
+ still not clear to Paolo ...
+ two comments (Lothar)
+ its a decision we have to make.
+ answer: clarify - also do not see postponing the decision as
+ decide if we have to promote a LibreOffice Online (Paolo)
+ should we not focus on it because we don't have one
+ if not, shouldn't spend time on it at all.
+ very different thing.
+ whom are you asking ? (Thorsten)
+ what is the future of that project ? (Paolo)
+ hoped my mail was clear (Michael)
+ ~nothing happening at TDF's Online
+ all work is happening at Collabora.
+ TDF not that many developers (Paolo)
+ if parts are diverging, doing back-ports more complex.
+ doesn't make sense to have it.
+ technically no problem - nothing happens at TDF (Thorsten)
+ no real issue, stopped at one side, continues on another
+ hence dropping / mirroring question (Lothar)
+ can repeat this (Thorsten)
+ need to make this decision - currently a bit of an
+ currently, TDF has no devs (Paolo)
+ no resources to do back-ports, etc.
+ there is no LibreOffice Online
+ code is there, but nothing happening (Thorsten)
+ it is a dead project.
+ should TDF consider they should do marketing on it (Paolo)
+ answer is 'no' at this point.
+ state we're in with marketing plan (Thorsten)
+ wise to postpone this at this stage.
+ ironically having no divergence makes it easiest to reconcile
+ important to clarify the marketing (Paolo)
+ focus on the LibreOffice core code & forget about a project
that was perceived for a long time as being part of TDF
+ love to see this as part of the wider family (Michael)
+ did we help create a startup ? (Paolo)
+ now growing with its own legs etc ?
+ apparently the perception of the project was wrong
Lothar leaves at 13:45, Franklin to be new session chair
+ what happened in the past - don't know (Paolo)
+ used to be a LOOL project
+ is going away on its own as COOL
+ easy to read the LibreOffice Online page (Cor)
+ is/was a source-code project - quite different.
+ a bit of a vague discussion.
+ need a good marketing plan - what is healthy for the
+ choice of 3 options on the table last week.
+ should work to clarify this for the members (Paolo)
+ think members are clear on the situation and can discuss (Cor)
+ remember CloudOn (Nicolas)
+ built a product based on the code that TDF put into the open
+ built an iOS app, bought by DropBox & vanished
+ TDF fosters possibilities to build things based on the sourcecode
+ for LOOL - C'bra provided lots of resources to get that done.
+ not say taken away from TDF, tried to do this in a good
fashion in the TDF ecosystem.
+ didn't work out for C'bra so go it on their own
+ if we want to avoid the same thing in the future
+ take care - feel comfortable, happy to do so in our community
+ if I start a new product - wouldn't do it inside TDF, which is
a bit sad.
+ in the past helping a startup create a new product (Paolo)
+ as with DropBox - money can kill a product
+ help: TDF provided hosting infrastructure - balance of the
relationships -> massively C'bra -> TDF
+ continuity: C'bra not for sale, and in the event of problems
the code will not die - it's FOSS
+ TDF doesn't have the devs to take it on though (Paolo)
+ shall we continue supporting startup ? (Paolo)
+ this COOL startup - used TDF resource
+ rather small contribution here historically (Michael)
+ is there a chance to get COOL back into TDF ? (Nicolas)
+ perhaps we can make the whole environment better
+ get it back again ? do we have some criteria there ?
+ support that (Paolo)
+ good thing, a realization here
+ if COOL can be organized to bring it back to TDF
+ in a way that's suitable for all of us - perfect.
+ need to see working together with TDF or with an external
+ in future if others come with platform to re-use
LibreOffice - work out for rules for others to get involved
+ think - spinning it positively (Thorsten)
+ a wake-up call.
+ realize how important active development is
+ how far we can push things without massive investment
+ especially for the more interesting online/mobile platforms.
+ hope we come out stronger.
+ a way to make TDF more attractive for companies to invest
without betraying our mission & community.
+ good to discuss about it, finding the positive side (Paolo)
+ expectation and hope find a win/win
+ the more we wait, the more separation becomes wide
+ in favour of working on the marketing plan (Cor)
+ proposal Oct 24th, seen again on public marketing list
for interesting things to investigate; lets do that.
+ C'bra has acted to give time to make space to decide (Michael)
+ would suggest shutting down gerrit Online to avoid divergence
+ we work vs. TDF master - currrently it could come back easily.
+ personally avoid github (Paolo)
+ we've been mirroring there for 10 years (Thorsten)
+ developers have decided already - it's settled
+ not a fan of github either (Franklin)
Public meeting ends at 14:01 Berlin time.
Agenda items of Private Part
- No topic in private -
Meeting ends at 14:01 Berlin time.
Lothar Becker (Session chair) 1st part, Franklin Weng (Session chair)
from 13:45 on
Stephan Ficht (Keeper of the minutes)
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