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I'm agreeing with Dieter that description of the current situation versus desired situation is lacking.  What the needs and desires are. Also there is mention of of a few constant objections and issues coming up around a third party option, without mentioning those objections and issues.

Luxembourg  would be pretty good choice geographically, linguistically (spoken). However numerous sites are French only; and those sites point in circles. So the (internet) accessibility is rather hard. Germany/ Netherlands are doing a somewhat better job in that area, based on quick assessment of some sites: Like chamber of commerce; tax authorities; courts.

Quote:"It seems a good compromise which could fix a lot of issues, bring additional benefits and still allow the TDF to operate with the same level of freedom as a business but at the same time clearing the doubts about due oversight and brand awareness" I love clear, explicit communication. What are the comprises made (how, to which extend). Which issues are fixed. Additional benefits, which ones. Kind of opportunity's/ threats/ strengths/weaknesses of the different domiciles

Anyhow, if we are moving to Luxembourg, is there leave the zits of TDF in Germany. Or should it be considered to move TDF to Luxembourg to. Not knowing anything about the history of TDF and reasoning behind it at the time to opt for Germany.

For the record: TDF Services SIS Proposal pretty OK; for comparison matters, make a list of few other country's. To have options and a way to compare. Quite a number of the listed SIS benefits don't seem to be unique. Probably also found in other country's (like Germany or Netherlands). Maybe not always in the same context. For the Netherlands you might end up with an association: It's possible to run a business within the association; so only taxed for the commercial part. And there actual members (being requirement), instead of they MC committee being build into the statutes of the Stiftung. There can be difference in voting rights and so on. I assume this being possible in Germany too.


Op 26-8-2020 om 13:51 schreef

Hello Florian,

perhaps I've forgotten something during that long going discussion, but I miss some basic informations:

1. Why it isn't possible for TDF to fulfill the activities, the TDF subsidiary should fulfill? In German law there's the possibility for a foundation to have a "Wirtschaftlichen Geschäftsbetrieb" or - as a better solution - a "Zweckbetreib".

2. What are the necessary conditions a TDF subsidiary has to fulfill? Without those criterias it would be difficult to make a helpful proposal. Paola has some requirements in his proposal. Is this consensus in the board? Which criteria are necessary, and which criteria are additional ones?

Perhaps it is possible to add some basic informations to the folder.

Kind regards


-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
Betreff:        Collecting proposals on TDF subsidiary
Datum:  Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:30:31 -0700 (MST)
Von: Florian Effenberger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <>
An:     dieterp <>


as discussed during the last board calls, the board is currently
collecting proposals on a TDF subsidiary. For that, we've created a
folder "TDF Subsidiary" in the Nextcloud "TDF Members" share, where the
various ideas will be collected.

The folder is also publicly available at

Please do consider all content as a draft, work-in-progress state that
is subject to discussion and changes. Note that the documents do not
represent any official board opinion, statement or vote, but are drafted
by individual members or groups.

The first proposal added so far is the one by Paolo Vecchi on a
Luxemburg entity.

The board is eager to get the discussion started, preferably on the
public board-discuss mailing list.


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