Hi Flo, *, Florian Effenberger wrote:
first and foremost, thanks a lot to everyone for taking on the challenging task to work on a marketing plan. I am sure this was not easy, so thanks to all of you for your work on this - and thanks to the board for the transparent communication in public!
Seconded - the feedback here & elsewhere has been overwhelmingly positive & constructive!
With all the feedback received, I strongly propose to leave 7.0 without tagging and finalize the plan for a later release.
I think that would be a mistake. - we see consensus forming now, around the community tag - there's a unique opportunity now, with the 10 year / 7.0 marketing push & attention we're getting - there's _additional_ attention now from the press, due to the ongoing, public discussion (quite a nice & balanced article: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/825598/21fb7c2a3f9358e7/) - instead being seen from the outside as not being able to resolve conflicts amicably & in finite time would further the impression of a project mired in internal fights I propose instead to use the available time, focus the minds, and settle on something that seems to have broad-enough support (LibreOffice Community Edition). I've seen great artwork & mockups already from the design team, and it would be a shame to let the current focus, energy & thrust fizzle out. As it inevitably will, because the next release is 6 months out, and for a project also relying on volunteers, real life will certainly take over again. One more thing:
Relevance of Statutes and Regulations: In course of the discussion, also the statutes were mentioned several times. Although I know their history and their ideas quite well, I don’t think the discussion is so much about regulations already at this point - much more important is the mutual understanding of what we want.
Can you (perhaps in a separate mail) clearly state that with the current marketing plan, those allegations are baseless? Or if not, where perhaps some care need to be taken?
Explanatory Texts: Next to the tagging, also the various texts need to be agreed on and translated, like in the start center, the about dialog and the start center sidebar - and the same thoughts as for the actual tagging apply, how strict should the frame be set.
Yep - but for those, I've also seen good suggestions (and I'm more willing to e.g. only have an inobtrusive banner instead of a wall of text for the start center, if that makes things more palatable).
I find it much easier to celebrate things with a positive message than with a negative.
I agree. Two thoughts here: - I'm much happier with a text many here agree with, than no message - Whatever we do, we'll learn how effective it is, and we can iterate the approach for 7.1 But I very, very strongly feel the need to act for 7.0 - with a change that is broadly acceptable, but with a _change_. Because if every change for the LibreOffice product takes a year to iterate, any learning & adapting we can pull up will be too slow for the internet age. Cheers, -- Thorsten
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