LibreOffice Personal & TDF's statutes & purpose

Hi Alex,

On 06/07/2020 10:27, Alexander Werner wrote in bugzilla at

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134486#c23
Cleary, The Document Foundation must release a version that is open
to all intended audiences. As clearly stated in the statues, the
intended audience is: everyone, explicitly including COMPANIES and
PUBLIC AUTHORITIES.

  Some comments on that; the statutes are public here:
      https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/statutes/

I quote from the preamble:

"The objective of the foundation is the promotion and
development of office software available for use by anyone
free of charge."

  A tag and about box text doesn't modify any of this. The
fundamental license and availability for use by anyone free of charge
stays.

  Clearly that is so. Beyond tweaking the brand with a tag - no
change is suggested to the software or its distribution at all.

  Moving on let me include the omitted second paragraph:

  "The foundation promotes a sustainable, independent and
   meritocratic community for the international development of
   free and open source software based on open standards."

  These mission goals are not optional. We need to be
sustainable - How large a community do you think it is necessary to
have to sustain the software ? how do we promote that ?

The issue gets even clearer:

"This software will be openly available for free use by anyone for
their own files, including companies and public authorities,
ensuring full participation in a digital society and without
detriment to intellectual property."

  So - LibreOffice Personal -as-now- will be openly available
for free use by anyone; so that is also clearly met.

* Some background on the history & philosophical context here:

  + Free Software has for decades been fighting against the
    idea that it is free-as-in-beer, and talking of
    free-as-in-freedom.

  + RMS regularly distinguishes Libre from Gratis, and talks
    about the vital freedoms. Arguably the Open Source movement
    itself is a reaction against this "free of price" frame.

  + if we take an extreme view of this paragraph in our statutes
    that would lead me to the conclusion that we are mis-named:
    we should be called "GratisOffice" - if freedom from price
    is the core purpose of the project. Perhaps we're overdue
    for a re-brand:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_libre

    if our core purpose is Gratis; it's just horribly
    confusing to call ourselves Libre.

  + Many commnity members I've spoken to have little sympathy
    for enterprises that just take, and contribute nothing
    back except bug reports & associated aggravation.

  + They have even less sympathy for those who charge for using
    our brand and software in the enterprise, and then
    contribute nothing back.

  + By focusing here, it -can- sound as if you arguing that
    our core purpose is to give free stuff to large, rich
    enterprises ? that we should sweat and toil for free,
    for the good of IBM, or Oracle, or ... =) surely not.

  + for me that's not a motivating factor whatsoever, I want
    to collaborate with other contributors to promote and
    develop an office suite available for use by anyone
    free of charge; in a sustainable way.

  LibreOffice Personal/Community could be how we promote that.

  But really, how it is marketed, what tags go on the splash
screen - how we try to -effectively- (we're good at doing this
ineffectively :wink: steer people towards even starting to understand
that they need to contribute, whether directly themselves or via the
ecosystem - these all seem to be tactical issues.

  We know that existing attempts to do that are an utter
failure, with zero up-take. We know that enterprises (charitably)
don't even know that they should do the right thing here.

  We know that changing here might be disruptive, but having
some suggestions of what changes might be acceptable and some idea of
what success might look like would be really helpful. What do you
think TDF should concretely do to solve the problems I outline:

https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/msg04591.html

  We know that enterprises don't donate and that the vast
majority don't contribute, so it is individual persons via donations,
or via awesome contributions =) alongside the ecosystem who end up
funding what work goes on the project.

  I think Bjoern states that rather well here[1]:

  "IMHO, the same applies even stronger to @tdforg as an NGO: I
  dont think other institutions -- especially commercial ones
  that are not contributing to its projects -- have any moral
  rights to its output."

  But, of course - perhaps there is another way that TDF as an
NGO can deliver its mission, stay true to its purpose, improve the
software, and create the big, grateful, fun community I keep banging
on about as a vision =)

  I'd really like to hear ideas there. Say we use a different,
or no tag for example - how do we get the message across to
enterprises effectively that they need to contribute ? either tons of
code themselves, or more realistically funding to the ecosystem ? how
does that differ from today ? and why do we think it will work ? we
can always try new things of course.

  Thanks !

    Michael.

[1] - https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=1280753358605881352&original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fthreadreaderapp.com%2Fthread%2F1280753358605881352.html

I think a clear-cut statement from the Board can answer a lot of questions and reduce a lot of negativity.

The Board should clarify:
- that there will be no change of license;
- that there will be no 'exclusive' features for the proposed enterprise edition other than dedicated support like priority bug-fixing, help, etc.;
- that there will be no terminology/tags that might demotivate the non-individuals (be it small communities/NGOs/governments/ big enterprises) to use the LibreOffice Community Edition (I believe that the board will not chose the Personal Edition name). The recent inclusions in the development branch like 'Personal Edition' and the tag 'intended for individual use' surely demotivates the non-individuals to use the software;
- that the LibreOffice Community Edition will function as effectively as the proposed LibreOffice Enterprise Edition without any restrictions;
- that the intention of the board is not to commercialize the office suite which creates commotion among the great community that has been supporting LibreOffice since years;
- that the board respects the principles of freedom (libre) software.

A statement clarifying the above may help answering a lot of community members.

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐

Thanks Aravind for summarising all we have been saying in the past few
days :slight_smile:

All you stated was written or implicit in our communication:

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/07/06/board-statement-on-the-libreoffice-7-0rc-personal-edition-label/

Linking here some of my answers which should further clarify things:
https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/msg04632.html
https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/msg04623.html
https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/msg04604.html

Ciao

Paolo

- that there will be no change of license;

Based on what you assume there can be a change of license, the marketing
plan says exactly the opposite, i.e. we do stay loyal to the copyleft
license, which is one of the pillars of the project.

- that there will be no 'exclusive' features for the proposed enterprise edition other than dedicated support like priority bug-fixing, help, etc.;

Same as above.

- that the LibreOffice Community Edition will function as effectively as the proposed LibreOffice Enterprise Edition without any restrictions;

Same as above.

- that the intention of the board is not to commercialize the office suite which creates commotion among the great community that has been supporting LibreOffice since years;

Same as above.

- that the board respects the principles of freedom (libre) software.

Same as above.

Sorry, but speculating on topics which are not even mentioned by the
marketing plan does not help at all. Using the word personal, as in
personal computer, does not imply anything of the above.

Yes, the word "personal" can be misunderstood by community members, as
only one person - a Fedora contributor - got it right, but it was chosen
also to avoid the potential issues of the word "community", which is
used by many open core projects for the free and feature limited version
(a quick search provides the following: Alfresco, Bacula, Bonita Studio,
FengOffice, GitLab, Knowage, Liferay, MySQL, NXLog, Odoo, OnlyOffice,
OpenClinica, OpenKM, OpenProject, OpenVPN, Shopware, SonarQube, SugarCRM
and Visual Paradigm).

Best regards.

Thanks for clarifying.

Speculations arise when there is uncertainty. The proposal for two different editions is an unexpected and unprecedented move.

The word 'personal' is not same in "personal computer" and "personal edition". Personal computer can be used in offices, but is "forbidden", whereas the proposed "personal edition intended for individual use" (i hate the name and tag) works in your office and is "unrestricted".

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐

- that there will be no change of license;

Based on what you assume there can be a change of license, the marketing
plan says exactly the opposite, i.e. we do stay loyal to the copyleft
license, which is one of the pillars of the project.

It really doesn't matter what the license says.

People that have years of experience in software support will see
"personal edition", and "intended for individual usage", and jump to the
conclusion that what is meant, is identical to what Microsoft meant.

_Microsoft Office 2000 Personal Edition_, _Microsoft Office 2003 Basic_,
_Microsoft Office 2007 Basic_, _Microsoft Office 2003 Personal_,
_Microsoft Office 2010 Personal_, and _Microsoft Office 2010 Starter
were for non-commercial use only. "Non-Commercial" had a very narrow
definition.

_Microsoft Office XP Student and Teacher_, _Microsoft Office 2003
Student and Teacher_, Microsoft Office 2007 Home and Student_,
_Microsoft Office 2010 Home and Student_, _Microsoft Office 2013 Home
and Student_, and _Microsoft Office 2016 Home and Student_ editions are
for academic, or home use only. Other non-commercial usage is implicitly
prohibited.

I know what the MPL 2.0 license allows, and you know what that license
allows, but is the risk-adverse PHB going to look at the license, or is
s/he going to be like Roman's "stupid policeman" (Bug 108865 C25) and
claim that software can not be gratis? Or go one step further and claim
the MPL 2.0 has no legal merit, or standing? (Once upon a time, the US
based _Software Business Alliance_ did claim that all FLOSS licenses
were ipso facto illegal.)

- that there will be no 'exclusive' features for the proposed enterprise edition other than dedicated support like priority bug-fixing, help, etc.;

Same as above.

That is ignoring that existing editions of LibreOffice, rebranded for
the SOHO & SMB market, that have features that are not in the version
distributed from https:///www.libreoffice.org.

More pointedly, how will either TDF, or the LibreOffice community
prevent those organisations from continuing to offer their rebranded
edition of LibreOffice, with their exclusive features?

Sorry, but speculating on topics which are not even mentioned by the
marketing plan does not help at all. Using the word personal, as in
personal computer, does not imply anything of the above.

Microsoft has redefined "personal", and any marketing plan that fails to
take that into account, is ignoring reality. "Personal" has a number of
implications , which, based upon responses by TDF board members, were
completely, utterly, and absolutely lost on the board.

also to avoid the potential issues of the word "community",

Unfortunately, the AGPL license pretty much required that "community" be
redefined to be "cripple ware that you can use, if you know how to write
the software that is needed, to utilise the program as described and
envisioned by the developers, _if_ you are also willing to run afoul of
their legal department."

jonathon