Update to today's call agenda

Thanks for the hints Sam, very good point.

Any other ideas?

Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ

Framing the questionnaire as input for future development we might get a feeling what percentage of users is interested in LOOL. And hopefully some have experienced success or failed and can reply what's needed for a one-click installation.

Cheers,
Heiko

Hi Heiko,

Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ

Thanks. Good start!

One thing we need to consider: as agreed last Friday in the board
meeting, there will be a public discussion on LOOL and ecosystem first,
before we start implementing solutions. And for that discussion, Paolo,
Franklin, Thorsten and Michael are preparing the start document, as
agreed in that meeting too.

Now there is (on a quick look) at least one question in the survey, of
which the answer clearly depends on the information that the submitter
has. "Shall enterprises (and even individuals) can deploy their own
LibreOffice Online to have a cloud based collaborative office suite?"

Framing the questionnaire as input for future development we might
get a feeling what percentage of users is interested in LOOL. And
hopefully some have experienced success or failed and can reply
what's needed for a one-click installation.

So IMO we should wait to make sure the survey is clarified, improved,
extended with the outcome of the discussion.
(I know running surveys is fun and hip, but starting a second one later
is dump and confusing, So let's not do that.

Greetings,
Cor

That's a very good proposal Heiko.

Just some amendments:

1.1
(I guess only a few will answer LibreOffice Online as AFAIK isn't that
easy to build)
Maybe we should also add Collabora Code and Collabora Online?
I have several instances with Collabora Code as at present it's the only
available on platforms like Univention.

Maybe the following sounds better?
2 2 Should enterprises (and even individuals) be able to deploy their
own LibreOffice Online to have a self-hosted/cloud based collaborative
office suite?

4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial
stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments?

We could also add the following questions to see if individuals would
sponsor the project and business users want/need paid for support services?

6 As individual users would you like to make a donation to TDF
specifically to support the development of LibreOffice Online?

7 As a business user would you prefer to use the paid for versions of
LibreOffice Online delivered and supported by partner organisations?

Ciao

Paolo

Hi all,

One thing we need to consider: as agreed last Friday in the board
meeting, there will be a public discussion on LOOL and ecosystem first,
before we start implementing solutions. And for that discussion, Paolo,
Franklin, Thorsten and Michael are preparing the start document, as
agreed in that meeting too.
...
Greetings,
Cor

Things are changing fast and while we talked about an option of having 4
non marketing experts writing, pretty much, a marketing document a new
option has been proposed to speed up the process and improve the quality
of result.

We are now looking at the option to start presenting the draft of the
plan at next Board meeting, if we can make it on time, so that everybody
can join in to improve it but I'll leave this types of official
announcements to our chairman.

In the meantime I personally welcome all initiatives, like yours Heiko,
that will help in getting more feedback from the community as they will
help us in improving the project.

Ciao

Paolo

Hi Heiko,

Heiko Tietze wrote:

Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ

How would you like to get feedback for that document - direct edits or
comments, or discuss here?

I personally liked Sam's suggestion, perhaps we can tweak more of the
existing questions that way (e.g. on question 2, prefix that with a
question on whether/where the participant got his last VPS / nextcloud
/ wordpress / bare-metal server setup)?

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

Paolo Vecchi wrote:

6 As individual users would you like to make a donation to TDF
specifically to support the development of LibreOffice Online?

We can't do that.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

Paolo Vecchi wrote:

6 As individual users would you like to make a donation to TDF
specifically to support the development of LibreOffice Online?

We can't do that.

Is that a technical issue?
Not even as a selection box in the donation page specifying if they have
a preference to support LibreOffice desktop or Online?

Question 7 doesn't present the same issue?

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

Paolo

I agree with Thorsten.

Not many build their own LibreOffice Online so knowing which platform
they use it would be interesting.

eg.

Are you self hosting your "Cloud" collaborative office suite yourself?
Yes/No

Are you using a local server or remote hosting/VPS/Cloud services?
...

Which platform are you using to access your "Cloud" collaborative office
suite yourself?
- ownCloud
- NextCloud
- ... etc...

Paolo

Further, Stallman is actually not very technically proficient these days and makes for a poor example of a 'God-tier' hacker.

:smiley: True.

So shall we settle for Linus Torvalds or there are other suggestions?

Paolo

That's a very good proposal Heiko.

Just some amendments:

1.1
(I guess only a few will answer LibreOffice Online as AFAIK isn't that
easy to build)
Maybe we should also add Collabora Code and Collabora Online?
I have several instances with Collabora Code as at present it's the only
available on platforms like Univention.

Maybe the following sounds better?
2 2 Should enterprises (and even individuals) be able to deploy their
own LibreOffice Online to have a self-hosted/cloud based collaborative
office suite?

Indeed

4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial
stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments?

Why not just saying a 'tech guru'.

That's a very good proposal Heiko.

Just some amendments:

1.1
(I guess only a few will answer LibreOffice Online as AFAIK isn't that
easy to build)
Maybe we should also add Collabora Code and Collabora Online?
I have several instances with Collabora Code as at present it's the only
available on platforms like Univention.

Maybe the following sounds better?
2 2 Should enterprises (and even individuals) be able to deploy their
own LibreOffice Online to have a self-hosted/cloud based collaborative
office suite?

Indeed

4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial
stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments?

Why not just saying a 'tech guru'.

Also that could be a good option but it would be cool if Linus actually
comes along to give his feedback ticking that box :slight_smile:

Always good to have bike-shedding questions in such a list ;-). First, we have to agree on such a survey including what exactly we want to learn and which questions we have to ask. The proficiency self-estimation is just a way to split answers into more or less experienced people. So back to Stallman/Thorvalds/Musk/Trump, the better option is maybe "I'm a professional system administrator" (whatever we put there, it's clear that this is the maximum option).

Both are fine for me. And the questions are mostly what Sam suggested with open responses.

Just having a bit of fun :slight_smile:

I'm OK with any terminology you want to use to measure the level of
nerdiness of the users.

Paolo

Agree

Donations earmarked for specific projects, that are almost outside the
scope of the organisation, can create legal issues that are extremely
expensive to correct.

Go talk to a lawyer that specialises in German Charity law, for more
specifics, as it relates specifically to the Document Foundation. A
lawyer in the US that specialises in 501(c)3 organisations, can outline
the issues within the US, which, whilst similar, can have very different
consequences in Germany.

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

jonathon

I started that, and in tracking down what triggered the error messages I
was seeing, concluded I'd have to run configure, make, make install, or
a similar sequence for half a dozen major components of the distro I
use. I'm not into the ARCH way of doing things.

jonathon

Hi

measure the level of nerdiness

I like this "level of nerdiness" :slight_smile:

"How wold you estimate your level of nerdiness on a scale from 0 ("Comuters? wtf is that") to 10 ("I only use programs I wrote myself")