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On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:57 AM Dennis Roczek <>

Hi Simon,
Am 02.03.2020 um 11:02 schrieb Simon Phipps:

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:32 AM Brett Cornwall <> wrote:

I believe that Canonical is related here because, like TDC, the proposal
appears to be that a for-profit entity be given exclusive rights to a
trademark to a supposed community-owned product. Like TDC, Canonical's
founding idealized Shuttleworth's pessimism that free software could
survive without a for-profit entity as its protector.

That assertion about TDC is also incorrect. Far from the implication you
make, TDC is being granted only the necessary rights to act as TDF's agent
in the app stores. Nothing more. TDF still controls the overall LibreOffice
trademark, and TDF also licenses it to other entities in the ecosystem like
CIB, Collabora and the retailers of various clothing. The license is
exclusive *only* *in the app stores*, and that is because TDF will also
be acting against knock-off apps selling the brand in ways that reflect
poorly on LibreOffice. Again, the attempt to equate this to Canonical is
very unhelpful, although your parting shot is illuminating.

But on the other hand you are also saying, that it is getting harder and
harder to install software (on properterian systems) without the app stores
and more over you do not have any choise on Windows S or iOS, which is
correct. From the vendors view it is even logical (earning money, keeping
the system secure, etc. etc.).

So basical TDC is getting a monopoly on many system, hence the Cannoical
example is really perfect.

I hope you understand that many in the community do not fear that these
"decisions" were made in good faith or might be correct at the moment, but
can lead to "bigger problems" in future (saying 10 or 20 years?).

I still disagree. TDC is getting temporary agency to act on TDF's behalf
doing something TDF's board recognises it is very poor at executing. TDF
could pass that agency to another entity at short notice any time. In fact,
if things became any more constrained I would not feel comfortable hiring
staff to work on them.

Further, TDC is incorporating as a legal entity that has to act formally in
the service of its community and has no shareholders so the motivation to
create a post-trading surplus is absent. This is all nothing like Canonical
where Mark was trying to prove he could create a profitable business in
parallel with Ubuntu.



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