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I fully agree with Drew.

Maintaining closed lists is a (bad) behavior from the times of and should be abandoned if you want to have a good and clear
relationship with the community as a whole. Closed lists caused a lot of
problems and distrust in brazillian community. Actually we have no hidden
lists anymore. Particular or urgent matters are threated through direct
e-mails or Gtalk contacts.


2011/8/11 drew <>

On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:28 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
Hi Drew,

While there's a list for confidential matters

and it would be good to:

1- Disclose _all_ private lists used by TDF, along with who in the
community is on those lists. To do otherwise is to have both private and
secret lists.

2 - Disclose what is being discussed and what decisions are being made
on private lists, this can be done in a way that retains enough specific
detail to keep confidences, while being open and transparent to the
community at large.

we intend and want to have a
dexision making process that's transparent.

Weekly public SC meetings, already in place.

This list was designed with the
notion that it'd be both a formal tool (voting, opinions of the BoD
members, etc.)

Nothing there requires a separate list.

and a communication tool for important an urgent matters.

You have each others email addresses and indeed email/contact
information for SC members is public.
You have an official announcement list, blog, facebook and twitter
accounts for urgent messages to the community.

opinion is that if we were to switch over to the discuss list decisions
would be lost in endless threads,

Meaning you would have to live with it, just like the rest of us.

not followed by developers

If they are not interested then why make them watch.

 and in a few
weeks you'd find yourself with less communication and unclear decision
making. I think we want to have this list precisely because we want avoid
distraction and create a more solemn / official list.

Well, that reads to me as - if the SC where forced to use only the tools
the rest of us are stuck using, it would find it bothersome and
distracting to the point that people wold either stop contributing or
start doing things in private to avoid the distractions.


Drew Jensen

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