Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow

Hi :)
No-one has picked up that module in the last 11 months.  It doesn't look as 
though anyone is keen on doing so soon.  


Is force the only method you can think of to achieve an objective?  I think it's 
usually better to find an advantage that a person or organisation might gain 
from helping and helping them get excited about that.  Also i think it's better 
to focus that effort on people that have relevant skills, knowledge or 
experience or else on people and organisations that have good resources.  


TDF is in a better position to find funding and already has more resources than 
I have if it was at all interested in developing Base.  


Regards from
Tom :)




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From: Charles-H. Schulz <charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org>
To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
Sent: Mon, 1 August, 2011 15:55:11
Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access 
unacceptably slow

Tom,

You may have misunderstood Michael.
Your 1. will be true if no one's interested in picking up that module.
Your 2. is way too premature :) (btw; a very important segment of
LibreOffice power users use PostgreSQL or MySQL and don't use Base,
never used it even when it was first introduced inside OOo; an even
bigger segment don't use a database at all.)
Your 3. is where it seems something does not work ;) "step up and
manage" doesn't mean anything, imho. We have 37 different priorities to
work on; if there are developers interested in Base, they're welcome.
But you won't force anyone (and TDF does not force anyone) to work on
something it does not want or does not need. However, you might want to
step up and start to raise funds to have developers work on Base. The
doors of opportunity are wide open.

best,
Charles.


Le 01/08/2011 16:38, Tom Davies a écrit :
> Hi :)
> The difference is that 
> 1.  those other things basically work
> 2.  people are working on them
> 3.   new people are attracted to work on them
>
> In complete contrast Base apparently has 
> 1.  NO-ONE working on it
> 2.  It doesn't work
> 3.  It's horribly complicated
>
> Base is the only app that almost every question can only be solved by getting 
> stuck into coding or extensively trouble-shooting and regression-testing 
> dependencies.  Problems in other apps tend to be able to be solved by normal 
> office users that may have no programming skills at all.  
>
>
> It seems that we have 3 possible routes
> 1.  Ignore the problems and watch as Base continues to crumble away and lie to 

> new users that we have a database program when we really don't.  
>
> 2.  Drop Base and be honest that we don't have an integrated  database 
> program.  
>
>
> 3.  Step-up and manage.  
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Meeks <michael.meeks@novell.com>
> To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Mon, 1 August, 2011 12:54:23
> Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access 

> unacceptably slow
>
>
> On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 19:26 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> > I think most of the companies i mentioned already employ devs to work on 
> > projects relevant to those organisations.  If they could each give one person 

> > half a week to Base
>
>     Sure - but if they could each give one person have a week to: improving
> the UI, accelerating import, fixing most annoying bugs, creating unit
> tests, ... < insert any number of potential problems > - then we could
> also make progress.
>
>     However - instead of this, we have people complaining and trying to
> tell other people what to do :-) That actually kills developer time,
> because they have to respond to the griping by pointing out the obvious
> lack of resources, the way that reality is shaped - and asking people to
> be more constructive with their time - by actually getting involved
> fixing things.
>
> > If some of those companies had direct control over half a dev
>
>     So - if some individuals, who have direct control over their own work
> schedule, could sit down and contribute then we'd get a long way too :-)
> right ?
>
> > I don't think TDF can afford to wait until people get annoyed enough (as RMS 
> > suggests) because it's easier for people to just stay with other products and 

> > the rest of the Suite they come with.  A little work and leadership in taking 

> > Base forwards might even attract a lot of volunteers to it instead or runing 
> > for 
> >
> > the hills.  
>
>     So - go for it ! you want to win eternal fame & glory, and find
> yourself a well paid job hacking base: sign up now - get experienced
> with the code, improve it, make noise about your success.
>
>     Failing that - your resourcing concerns belong on a single list: the
> discuss list.
>
> > Most of the co-operatives i have worked in have paid consultants, part-time 
> > workers, accountants, lawyers and all the rest when and where needed. 
> > Many of the ones that refused to do so folded or got absorbed.  
>
>     Fine - so start a co-operative to work on LibreOffice, and fund these
> guys to do the work you want to tell them to do, and to meet your
> particular priorities. Failing that, do some fund raising yourself to
> get an existing bespoke development company (say Lanedo) to do the work
> for you.
>
>     All the best,
>
>         Michael.


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