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Re: [steering-discuss] Re: Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Florian Effenberger
<> wrote:
Hi Robert,

Hi Florian

(Copying in Charles since he asked a similar question off list)

I'm still reading a few messages and trying to reply to them, but wanted to
join in here:

Just like the rest of us :-)

Noisy and open - everyone with an opinion is welcome :-)

Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on 2011-06-04 09.14:

The TDF is in no position to accept a major donation of either
copyright or code today. Apache is.


AIUI [1] the TDF is not a legal entity today and is still in the
process of building it's legal, organisational and process

So it was urgent as in a matter of weeks ?

 I accept it has strong legal backing but today no
(related) US non-profit corporation exists which could accept the

How is 'US' relevant here ?

The Apache Software Foundation provides a suitable legal no-profit
organisation and in place today a suitable process to accept large
donations of code from major organisations safely through the
Incubator. It has considerable experience of opening close source
projects and in working with rich downstream ecologies.

Opening close source ? how is it relevant here ?
The proposal is to relicense an open-source project... unless I missed
something the proposal concern not Symphony right ?

Can you elaborate?

IMHO LibreOffice community finds itself in a similar position to the
Apache group in the mid-90s. Great community. Fantastic momentum. Cool

But establishing code provenance and the Apache Software Foundation
(ASF) took a(n unexpectedly) large amount of time and energy.
Establishing suitable licenses and agreements took time and energy
over several iterations. Establishing a sound Incubation process took
time and energy over many iterations. It took time for us to learn and
evolve secure processes which don't completely suck.

That is all good, but irrelevant. we already have a license and we
would not need to incubate anything: the code base you
are trying to digest is our daily chore... It has already graduated as
a top level project
even better as THE top level project.

The TDF is at the start of a journey that the ASF started a decade ago
and is yet to reach the end.
As far as is concerned, it is the other way around.

The TDF may wish to consider whether an
alternative path might achieve their aims faster...
Well, take a look:
I'm pretty sure that we've got nice head start...


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