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[steering-discuss] Re: Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Florian Effenberger
<> wrote:
Hi Robert,

Hi Florian

(Copying in Charles since he asked a similar question off list)

I'm still reading a few messages and trying to reply to them, but wanted to
join in here:

Just like the rest of us :-)

Noisy and open - everyone with an opinion is welcome :-)

Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on 2011-06-04 09.14:

The TDF is in no position to accept a major donation of either
copyright or code today. Apache is.


AIUI [1] the TDF is not a legal entity today and is still in the
process of building it's legal, organisational and process
infrastructure.  I accept it has strong legal backing but today no
(related) US non-profit corporation exists which could accept the

The Apache Software Foundation provides a suitable legal no-profit
organisation and in place today a suitable process to accept large
donations of code from major organisations safely through the
Incubator. It has considerable experience of opening close source
projects and in working with rich downstream ecologies.

Can you elaborate?

IMHO LibreOffice community finds itself in a similar position to the
Apache group in the mid-90s. Great community. Fantastic momentum. Cool

But establishing code provenance and the Apache Software Foundation
(ASF) took a(n unexpectedly) large amount of time and energy.
Establishing suitable licenses and agreements took time and energy
over several iterations. Establishing a sound Incubation process took
time and energy over many iterations. It took time for us to learn and
evolve secure processes which don't completely suck.

The TDF is at the start of a journey that the ASF started a decade ago
and is yet to reach the end. The TDF may wish to consider whether an
alternative path might achieve their aims faster...



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