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Re: RE : [steering-discuss] Quo Vadis TDF Development - paid support based model ?

Hi Alex, all,

I would just like to add something after your mail (that I'll answer later :) on the FR list.

This is about 12 or even 13 years that I see you providing support and dedicating time on the SO/OOo/LibO lists, you have the knowledge of all the project, and so the historical perspective too. You say you have questions where you don't find answers, or no clear ones. We are a young project, still under construction and if we have a vision of the future, it seems we have difficulties to communicate on it. But the most important in this project is that you are part of the "we" and the vision we get, is also the one you bring. You didn't submit a membership application, I hope you'll do it soon, because it's also how we will be able to shape the future: having members around able to push their ideas firmly when they are not on agreement.
So in one word, this project will/must be the reflection of its members.

Kind regards

On 17/05/2011 20:54, sophie wrote:
Hi Alex, all,
On 17/05/2011 20:35, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
Hello Alex,

I'm not sure I understand your question. We do not bar anyone from
contributing. Could you be more clear please?

This is in relation with the ORB and the issue Kohei asked for feedback today on the dev list.


Le 17 mai 2011, 7:24 PM, "Alexander Thurgood"<> a
écrit :

Hi all,

A recent discussion on the developer list has brought me to ask myself
where, if anywhere, there is a positive statement or decision on
development strategy that implies or explicitly mentions that
"enterprise stability" can/will only be expected in the LibreOffice
product if companies / administrations / large user bases buy support
contracts ?

This has repercussions for me to the extent that it is not how I
envisaged, or indeed, how I understood, the project to be grounded. It
shows what I feel is a certain lack of consideration for those people
from business communities who have contributed in the past to improving
the product (in its largest sense, i.e. from OOo times), creating
documentation, bug hunting and triaging, and who probably helped with
the donations to create the foundation in the first place.

I think that both of you should calm down here. Alex, for sure and you know it, I absolutely do not want you to go and I appreciate the way you criticize the project, this is people like you we need the more here. You follow the dev list and you see that we did not agree to each piece that is said here. We are a young project who learn how to communicate in a better way (really I didn't think it at first, but it's verified quite each day, we have to create a whole communication organization again...)

I need to read it again, but I think that either your point of view ant the point of view of Michael is understandable/defensible. But you are not in a world where there is only Michael and you, so there is a [mi-temps des lieux] (you understand me when I lose my English fortunately :)

We need more support from companies to be sustainable, this is not a secret, we are not in the OOo time where a company will pay for what it wants. But you know it can't be all the life of a community and what you pointed is as important as Michael pointed. We need people who give their time to make QA, support, documentation, etc... all what you have done for years. Please, Alex, listen to me, we also need people like you able to say 'enough', it's very important, so please don't go away (Sophie demanding here :)

Kind regards
Any pointers would be useful.



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