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I'll answer everyone in one mail. Please bear on with me:
- changes Italo requested: done.

- changes Michael requested: I tried to clarify and add space in the
  Permitted use section, fixed the missing link, fixed the line break
  and other obvious things. As for the general contradiction between
  the Logo guidelines and the Trademark Policy itself, I inserted
  inside the Logo policy page the notion of "substantially unmodified
  version of LibreOffice" that already exists in the Trademark Policy.
  It fixes the inconsistency or even the contradiction between the two.
  You may object of course we might just merge the two pages, but
  that's where I disagree: Legally speaking, trademarks, logos, image
  marks, wordmarks are different notions and have different values. Of
  course the right and broad way to discuss them is by using and
  clarifying the notion of trademarks, but the trademark is not a logo
  only (and vice-versa). So I still think it's good to somewhat
  separate them.

- changes requested by Christoph: I added one sentence about the
  english version being the official one. As for usability, please go
  ahead :-) make sure people understand there's one page dedicated to
  the logos though.

Thank you everyone... I guess the vote is being reconducted for one
more period of 24 hours now.


Le Thu, 03 Mar 2011 07:47:31 +0100,
Christoph Noack <> a écrit :

Hi Charles (again),

one thing I've noticed after having some hours sleep ... its is rather
about handling than touching the content of the Trademark Policy.

Since the Trademark Policy is something "official" and it might (or: I
hope ...) get translated into various languages and there might be
variances in its meaning, is there any need to highlight that the
English version is the "binding" one?

At least for other topics like the Bylaws, or the Branding Guidelines
this may be assumed - but do we require a more explicit statement


Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 00:02 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack:
Hi Charles,

thanks for the effort - besides the stuff already mentioned ... some
less "legal", but rather "understandability" related comments:

      * Understandability: Most of the tdf mail addresses refer to
        mailing lists, but "" is "just"
a normal mail address. This difference might be important for some
        people - would it be helpful to say "... send an email to
the non-public address"?
      * Usability: Most of the text doesn't use wiki capabilities
like headings or second outline level enumeration (e.g. no TOC is
        added by the wiki that might make finding the desired
        information more quickly).
      * Usability: Once the text is finalized, we may ask to add the
        logo examples - the logo graphics are already in the wiki,
so why not use them?

Concerning the usability items; I can work on this once the text is
approved ... or (just ping me), I can try to improve things tomorrow
evening - if it is needed before any final approval.

Am Dienstag, den 01.03.2011, 18:19 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
*** SC Members and their deputies***

Please vote +1 or -1 in order to approve the trademark policy
(text is here:

+1 (having in mind the comments above and below, and by the others)

Please also make sure you have read the additional material here: and there:

Another small comment - I've asked on the design list whether
"external use" is a proper name for that. There is an ongoing
discussion how to name that, and whether to separate the different
logos for TDF / community use. So please be aware that we might
(ask to) change this naming in the near future ...

Charles, thanks for your work!


Charles-H. Schulz
Membre du Comité exécutif
The Document Foundation.

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