Hi Christian, David, all,
I'm not a SC member, but I'd like to support Christian's proposals:
Christian Lohmaier schrieb:
Hi David, *,
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:33 AM, David Nelson<firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
I'd like to suggest that there should be an editing team officially appointed:
An editing team is a good idea, however
We definitely need people feeling responsible for their specific area of
expertize / interest.
By using the SilverStripe features to create pages and let them be
reviewed before final publishing we will be able to keep the website
quality high while increasing the website team (when people have shown
their dedication and skills).
- one *English NL* executive editor (with publishing/admin powers),
one is not enough, as one might be ill/on vacation, etc.
I think native lang contributors are important, but not necessarily the
only ones to finally approve every content.
Also it doesn't quite fit in the community idea
- Charles Schulz, Florian Effenberger and Italo Vignoli as managing
editors (with publishing/admin powers).
I'd rather have more of "managing editors" - not sure whether there
needs to be a dedicate executive editor position, but rather a couple
of "managing editors"
But same as above, the list is too short, esp. as those people are
heavily involved in other areas.
I don't understand what these "managing editors" should do :-(
Should they decide which content is allowed to be placed on the website,
while the "executive editor" takes only care of the right wording?
If so, these three people are way too heavily involved in other
important tasks to be consulted with any new paragraph, news item or
To kick-start it, it might be enough, but it should quickly be
expanded to include other people who have contributed in a reasonable
fashion/have proven that they are capable of the task.
- one person from Design, Christoph Noack, with author powers, to
consult with about buttons and images. I don't otherwise see the
Design team playing much of a role in the running of the website,
beyond ensuring compliance with the graphic charter (which is
principally imposed by the theme).
-1 Especially in terms of design, artworkt, etc. you cannot have
We need a consistent theming / visual design for the website. But this
doesn't mean that every image, screenshot or button has to be created or
approved by Christoph.
Christoph is our most recognized UX expert, so his word is important in
theming and visual structure too.
Having one peer contact: Yes, this is desireable (i.e. one who
forwards the requests of the website team and reports back the results
of the design team).
Here I'd like to see two at least like you mentioned above...
As it is hard enough to get artwork to put up on the site, you
shouldn't artificially limit the amount of possible contributors by
only having one person with "powers".
I don't think that David wants to reduce the number of contributors: A
contact person (or two) is good in several cases, as you already stated
above, but contributions should be able by all designers (I don't think
they need to upload their artwork on their own - a dedicated area in the
wiki would help the website authors too).
- one or two technical administrators: Christian Lohmaier and Erich
Christian (with admin powers). My suggestion would be that they do
limit themselves to *technical* administration alone, without any
interest in the content side (this is what they currently do with the
other NL sites).
This should be no problem, as at least we two have other areas to work
with as well :-)
However I surely have an interest in the content part, since the
content in the end determines what features to add to the site, etc.
Focus surely is on the technical part.
I don't see any reason to restrict any contribution by anybody -
especially Christian and Erich have been working on website content for
years at OOo. Why shouldn't they be allowed to work here too?
- one contributors team, principally of English NL speakers (each
member with author powers).
Yes, success or failure all depends on the contributors.
And this means contributor with different mother language too. Native
speakers can serve as proof-readers, as this would lower the barrier for
others and reduce the work load for the native speakers.
IMHO, if you organize things like this, you will have a tool that is
efficiently run and that will provide TDF with the most-effective
If you allow the site to be run in a chaotic, uncontrolled manner, I
think you'll lose a lot of the benefit it could otherwise bring the
You describe two extreme positions - I think the truth lies in between:
We need a team of people feeling responsible for the different areas of
work inside the website team. These people should be mentioned as
contacts for their area of expertise on the wiki - I don't think that we
need official roles.
In my eyes these areas (and possible candidates for contacts - didn't
ask them by now if they would serve as contacts) would be:
(Christian / Erich)
WebDesign and UX
(Ivan / Christoph)
(David / NN)
I'd like to see Italo more involved in the content part, but I doubt if
he would have enough time. (Same for Florian of course).
Well, I somewhat disagree here. I guess the biggest problem wrt the
english site is/was that there has not been an english native-lang
project within the OOo-project, thus there was no group like for
example in the french and german NL-projects that were already
familiar with working together on website content and familiar with
collaborating in an opensource project.
English content on the OOo website has been created by lots of
different people, none being in an "english" project, over a rather
long period of time.
The OOo website redesign was a lengthy process, but involved a lot of
people (which was a good thing). I think it is worth to get back to
that working style, although it sometimes introduces unnecessary
delays or lengthy discussions - we won't have the time pressure
Thanks to you, David (and Christian and Ivan), there is a website (and
will be in two days) in a quality, that allows us to step back a bit and
start working in a more collaborative way.
This goal would not have been reached without your tremendous work!
In any case, may I encourage you to take some clear decisions about
this over the next few days?
I'm not the one to make any decision, but this topic will surely be
discussed on the SC call next Thursday.
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