Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Libre Office & Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]

[Anthony Easthope <antisocky@myopera.com>]

Righto, I will make a submission but it will need some guidance in the
process for submission. I can tell you it is not going to happen right
away as I have to go away but  once I am back I'm sure that I can make a
start on the pitch.
infact thinking about it it should be a community idea so we should all
contribute! :)

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012, at 02:50 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> Hello Fabian,
> 
> 
> Le jeudi 16 août 2012 à 07:43 -0400, Fabian Rodriguez a écrit :
> > On 08/16/2012 06:29 AM, Anthony Easthope wrote:
> > > Its not essential to have the zotero server as part of it although that
> > > is a nice feature. [...]
> > 
> > IMO such features are essential, and an important part of why you'd use
> > Zotero. I wish their server component evolves into a federated,
> > open-data, FLOSS solution, though. That's something where the TDF can
> > have influence on the Zotero project. Of course this isn't to say this
> > should block such discussion, but keeping in line with LibreOffice
> > context (FLOSS), such goals are possible to influence and reach.
> > 
> > Such features/server dependency are the default, so it's always on for
> > users doing research - they are always part of a group, and share
> > references among them. In that sense it's essential. Users won't notice
> > how this ties them to Zotero's infrastructure until their reference
> > database grows, which confronts them to buying storage. The current
> > Zotero implementation is pre-configured to use their server which
> > includes document storage and social features implemented in a web
> > front-end. The document-storage part can be configured to use other
> > servers, not so for the other features.
> > 
> > Let's not minimize this. Here are a few reasons why the server+social
> > component side should be free, open source:
> > - Anyone could setup their own (important in large deployments/ gov't /
> > schools / etc where bandwidth usage and owning your data matters)
> > - Zotero's own servers wouldn't need to scale up to such deployments or
> > even work fully w/o Internet access
> > - Zotero's pricing for storage may not fit every deployment's audience
> > - Implementing local storage/sync on a server is not trivial for
> > end-users. Not using sync at all is not a clear alternative.
> > - Zotero's clients may at some time stop offering third-party storage
> > options altogether
> > - Zotero's servers are a single point of failure which won't help
> > adoption when they fail
> > - Zotero could add "local installation / support" to their offering, or
> > even certify "service providers". Competition among such providers would
> > indirectly help LibO adoption.
> > 
> > If anyone is going to Zotero with a proposal for collaboration with
> > TDF/LibO, I wish they ask/mention the above.
> > 
> > If I can be of any assistance in such discussions, I'll gladly make time.
> 
> See my reply to Anthony, but basically, what needs to happen is an
> additional server development on the Zotero side as well as a upgrade to
> the LibreOffice extension (am I forgetting something?) So you need
> someone developing it. As for any sort of partnership/formal stuff, that
> would need to be evaluated by marketing and by the BoD. 
> 
> My -candid- feeling about this is that there's potential, now it's up to
> volunteers to pick up the development workload and perhaps ping Zotero
> about this. If there's no interest, then we should not spend our nights
> on this.
> 
> Best,
> Charles.
> 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Fabian Rodriguez
> > http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca
> > 
> > 
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